{"id":846,"date":"2026-01-20T15:04:02","date_gmt":"2026-01-20T15:04:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/marlas.army\/?p=846"},"modified":"2026-01-21T16:16:43","modified_gmt":"2026-01-21T16:16:43","slug":"2018-serge-menga-und-ich-im-gespraech-und-ja-ich-war-damals-undercover","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/marlas.army\/en\/2018-serge-menga-und-ich-im-gespraech-und-ja-ich-war-damals-undercover\/","title":{"rendered":"2018: Serge Menga and I in conversation \u2014 and yes, I was undercover back then"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"2018: Serge Menga, Felix Herrmann &amp; Marla Svenja L im Gespr\u00e4ch \u2013 ungefiltert\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/2GCix4r7Sw0?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>There are conversations you only truly understand years later.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This is one of them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In 2018 \u2014 seven years ago \u2014 I sat in a discussion round with Serge Menga.<br>One full hour. Direct. Unfiltered. No PR, no editing, no \u201cyou can\u2019t say that anymore.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And above all:<br>I wasn\u2019t just \u201cMarla, the woman in the group.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I was there under a false name.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Why undercover?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Very simple:<br>Because men talk differently when they\u2019re only among men.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Anyone who doesn\u2019t believe that has never seen how a room changes the moment \u201cthe woman\u201d is sitting at the table as a role.<br>Not because women are \u201cto blame\u201d \u2014 but because many men automatically start performing:\nsome get sleazier,<br>others more cautious,\nand the next ones suddenly play the protector.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I didn\u2019t want that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I didn\u2019t want to be the person everyone reduces you to.<br>I wanted to be the person who argues.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So I presented myself as masculine.<br>Deliberately.<br>No drama. No theater.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And yes \u2014 for me it wasn\u2019t even particularly difficult.<br>Genetically, many of us women in my family have strong facial hair growth.<br>In many parts of the world, that\u2019s completely normal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Only in Europe people laugh about it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In other parts of the world, people are more likely to laugh about women without a beard.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sometimes it\u2019s that simple.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Why I\u2019m publishing this video today<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Because it offers an insight you can hardly find anymore today:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How I thought back then.<br>How I spoke.<br>How I debated.<br>How I argued.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And anyone who really listens will quickly notice:<br>It doesn\u2019t match the image some people today desperately want to paint of me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Because this accusation \u2014 that I am \u201cfar-right\u201d \u2014 isn\u2019t just false.It\u2019s a cheap narrative.<br>A box people put you in so they don\u2019t have to listen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you put people into boxes, you don\u2019t have to deal with what they actually say.<br>It\u2019s the easiest way to kill discussions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What you\u2019ll see in this conversation<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>You won\u2019t see a staged performance.<br>You won\u2019t see a polished version.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>You\u2019ll see a real discussion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And you\u2019ll also see how much this country has changed over the years:<br>What you could still debate back then without immediately being given a label.<br>How many topics today are no longer discussed openly, because everyone is afraid of \u201cseeming wrong\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That\u2019s exactly why it\u2019s worth watching this video today.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Not because everything in it is perfect.<br>But because it\u2019s real.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Conclusion<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>This video is a document of its time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And if you want to know who I really am \u2014<br>then don\u2019t look at other people\u2019s headlines.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Look at what I say.<br>And listen to how I think.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The full video is now online on YouTube.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Let\u2019s watch it together.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-in-marla-we-trust-marlas-army wp-block-embed-in-marla-we-trust-marlas-army\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"M0fwZ79zLc\"><a href=\"https:\/\/marlas.army\/en\/der-blutpakt-morgen-schuettelt-merz-einem-islamist-die-hand-und-wir-zahlen-wieder-milliarden\/\">Der Blutpakt: Morgen sch\u00fcttelt Merz einem Islamist die Hand \u2013 und wir zahlen wieder Milliarden<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"&#8222;Der Blutpakt: Morgen sch\u00fcttelt Merz einem Islamist die Hand \u2013 und wir zahlen wieder Milliarden&#8220; &#8211; In Marla We Trust - Marlas Army\" src=\"https:\/\/marlas.army\/der-blutpakt-morgen-schuettelt-merz-einem-islamist-die-hand-und-wir-zahlen-wieder-milliarden\/embed\/#?secret=Ph5M2XGQGA#?secret=M0fwZ79zLc\" data-secret=\"M0fwZ79zLc\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-in-marla-we-trust-marlas-army wp-block-embed-in-marla-we-trust-marlas-army\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"RvuA2izWw6\"><a href=\"https:\/\/marlas.army\/en\/deutschland-im-sinkflug-und-niemand-darf-ins-cockpit\/\">Deutschland im Sinkflug \u2013 und niemand darf ins Cockpit<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"&#8222;Deutschland im Sinkflug \u2013 und niemand darf ins Cockpit&#8220; &#8211; In Marla We Trust - Marlas Army\" src=\"https:\/\/marlas.army\/deutschland-im-sinkflug-und-niemand-darf-ins-cockpit\/embed\/#?secret=bhQmhcsIwp#?secret=RvuA2izWw6\" data-secret=\"RvuA2izWw6\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">\ud83d\udcda Further Reading \u2013 Partner Links<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p><em>(Affiliate notice: The following links are partner links. If you make a purchase through them, you support Marlas Army at no additional cost to you.)<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>1. Hannah Arendt \u2013 On Violence<\/strong><br>1. Hannah Arendt \u2013 On Violence\nAn analysis of the mechanisms of political control and public fear.<br>\ud83d\udc49 <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3NDc0c8\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/amzn.to\/3NDc0c8<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>2. George Orwell \u2013 1984<\/strong><br>The classic work on language control, truth, and surveillance.<br>\ud83d\udc49 <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/4bsO0SZ\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/amzn.to\/4bsO0SZ<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>3. Timothy Snyder \u2013 On Tyranny<\/strong><br>Twenty lessons on how democracies die.<br>\ud83d\udc49 <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3NcdiuI\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/amzn.to\/3NcdiuI<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"marlas-author-box\">\n  <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/marlas.army\/en\/marla-svenja-liebich\/\">Marla Svenja Liebich<\/a><\/strong>\n  is the author and publisher of <strong>Marlas Army<\/strong>.<br>\n  On Marla\u2019s Army, she publishes analyses, commentary, and personal accounts on social and political developments in Germany.\n<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Es gibt Gespr\u00e4che, die man erst Jahre sp\u00e4ter wirklich versteht. Dieses hier ist so eines. 2018 \u2013 also vor sieben Jahren \u2013 sa\u00df ich in einer Gespr\u00e4chsrunde mit Serge Menga.Eine Stunde lang. Direkt. Ungefiltert. Ohne PR, ohne Schnitt, ohne \u201edas darf man heute nicht mehr sagen\u201c. 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